Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-08-06
URL: https://youtu.be/LnuGCFlPKaI
Duration: 73:00

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[00:01] Hey everyone, thanks for joining us. It's Wednesday, August 6th, 2025. You are watching DProgram with Ted Roll and John Kuryaku. >> Welcome back. >> Full slate here to get into John. Always a pleasure. Always look forward to this. >> Oh, Ted, just since we texted each other this morning, there's been like an entire show's worth of extra stuff that has happened over the course of the day. >> All right, so let's plow into it. Um, in no particular order really, um, let's just get into it. I mean, you've, so

[00:32] Donald Trump is threatening to, uh, take over to refederalize Washington DC. Um, you sort of shared a little bit of that history last time, but maybe you could do it again. As a New York, I didn't really know the history. I went back and read it. Um, but it is fascinating. But basically um you know Washington DC is under home rule as it's called. You can maybe explain what that is. And Trump is basically really agitated about crime in the nation's capital

[01:03] >> for a specific reason. >> Because of big balls. >> Yes. Because of big balls. That's right. >> So Big Balls is the Doge douche who uh got really famous because of his nickname. He's been all over social media and all over uh cable television uh and comedy shows and stuff. And Big Balls got carjacked, him and his girlfriend. And uh he did by 10 youths uh or so. Uh two are in custody. Um I mean, all all kidding aside, that's no fun for anyone.

[01:33] >> No. And they beat the [ __ ] out of him, too. >> And they he and he nobly defended his uh girlfriend. So, >> yes, >> the man has big balls. He's earned his nickname for real. And uh but Trump with Trump, it's always personal. If he knows someone personally involved or he cares about them, they're a celebrity, then he then he's pissed off. So >> take it away, John. >> So Washington DC license plates say um taxation without representation because

[02:05] that's a fact of life here. If you live in Washington DC, you pay federal income taxes just like everybody else, but you don't get a voting member of the House or two voting members of the US Senate. So, you're just out of luck. Um, until 1971, Washington DC was governed by a congressional committee, the Committee on District of Columbia Affairs it was called. And um and then in 1971, the

[02:39] federal government under that that paragon of liberalism, Richard Nixon, uh gave DC what is called home rule. Home rule means DC has a mayor who is actually the the mayor of the city and it has a city council and it has neighborhood councils and has all these different bodies that run the city on a day-to-day basis. Donald Trump doesn't like that. Donald Trump wants the Republican House of Representatives to take over DC again. And

[03:10] that idea, which is a terrible idea, got some energy when Big Balls was apparently accosted by 10 kids 14, 15, and 16 years old. There's a picture of him on Truth Social. They beat the hell out of him and he's just he has no shirt on and he's just soaked in blood. It's a disgusting picture. Um, but there's more to the story that came out this afternoon. Somebody leaked to the Washington Post that in the last couple of days, Trump held a secret meeting at

[03:44] the White House to discuss ways to seize control of the New York mayoral race, throw Mandani out of the country, and take over the government of New York. >> What? >> Yeah. Now, that's not going to happen. >> It is patently unconstitutional. It's the very definition of fascism. It's not going to happen. But he's trying to figure out ways to make it happen. It's far easier to do in Washington DC because there's a long history of of

[04:16] federal intervention, >> right? >> In fact, even city in the same way that New York is, >> it's not. And then even during home rule when Marian Barry was the mayor, he was mayor four times. Uh and he was, you know, snorting crack and cheating on his wife and drunk at city council meetings. He would pass out. Um the federal government didn't do away with home rule, but it seized budgetary authority.

[04:46] And so um and so for a period of four years, the government turned budgetary authority over to a guy who was a CPA. His name was Anthony um oh shoot, I forget his name. Anyway, he was just a nerd and he ran for mayor and won and was an absolutely fantastic mayor. Anthony Williams. Anthony Williams. Uh and so DC got home rule back in its entirety. Now Trump wants to take it away. This thing

[05:18] with Manni, I mean, let's let's call a spade a spade here. This is only because Mandani is a Muslim >> andic socialism. >> Well, and yeah, and but first of all, there's no legal basis for deporting Mandani. >> He's a US citizen. >> Yeah. Right. Right. >> I mean, I guess you can I mean, you can deport a naturalized citizen. as my mom if it was a naturalized citizen constantly reminded me um you know she was like if if they want they can take it away that's not true in other

[05:48] countries like I'm a naturalized French citizen >> that's right >> uh but they you know I can run for president of France there's no secondass citizenship there >> the way we have you know >> um so yeah so I mean >> what does this mean I mean what does it say about the mental state and the political ideology of the president entertain such a thought. I mean, you know, one of the commenters said, uh, the riots would be insane, and that is for sure. I don't think we I don't I

[06:19] think you'd have to go back to the, uh, draft riots of the Civil War. I mean, the city would burn. I mean, it's like I mean, Montani is I mean, people like me would join the riots. I mean, it's like Mandani is really popular. Yeah. >> It's the will of the people. He's going to be the mayor. >> Um, And you know, trying to in to keep Mayor Adams in is already a shocking move by the establishment because he's so unpopular. If they backed Cuomo, that would be a little bit more

[06:50] understandable. Um, you know, he's >> and I think it's Ted, you you have much more experience with this than I do, but it seems increasingly clear to me day after day after day that Mandani is going to be the next mayor of New York. >> There's no question. Just today, John Katy Matidis, the the second richest man in New York. Um, he owns Gristitis and Red Apple and Wawa and yeah, supermarket chains. He's a he's the biggest developer in Brooklyn where Trump is the

[07:21] biggest developer in uh in Manhattan. >> He endorsed Well, not really. >> All that wealth, but it can't buy him good looks. >> No, it can't. No. Poor guy. He's the ugliest man you've ever seen in your life. >> He really is. He's a He's a Z. He's a minus one out of 10. Yes. In fact, I'm going to show you something. So, while I'm talking, I'm going to look for it. So, he endorsed um uh Cuomo today. And to me, that is a message to Eric Adams that buddy, you really need to

[07:52] drop out of the race. And he's not dropping out of the race. Let me see if I can >> There you go. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He looks pretty good because he's dark there. You can't see much of him. To to not see him is to love his looks. >> Yeah. So, um, >> he's not going to make me reconsider my heterosexuality. Let's put it that way. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's a nice enough guy, but but anyway, he's kind of a a Republican. He's kind of an independent, whatever.

[08:23] He's an independent Republican. Uh, but he did not endorse Eric Adams, who's the Republican nominee. Or no, he's not the Republican nominee. It's Curtis Leewa, >> right? Eric Adams. Eric Adams is the sitting Democratic mayor who did not present himself in the primaries because he was so unpopular. He's at single digits in the polls. U >> 9% >> he's got his ass kicked by a guy nobody' ever heard of. Um and >> with a funny name. >> With a funny name. Yeah. Zoron. Don't mess with the Zoron.

[08:54] >> Don't mess with the Zoron. >> And he ended up uh Yeah. the dude is uh so they're they're losing it there uh in the establishment over Mumani completely. >> Well, Ted, let me ask you a question. Today's New York Post had three different editorials condemning Mumani. >> It's every day. >> It's because they're panicking. >> One of the things that they keep focusing on is his earlier support for the defund the police movement, >> right? Is it is he serious about

[09:25] defunding the police? And what does that actually mean? Because it's my understanding that it doesn't mean actually defunding the police, but but it means transferring some of the the budget for some police activities to other law enforcement organizations. County sheriffs, for example. >> Well, so yeah, I mean, New York doesn't really have much in the way of county sheriffs. We do have we do have one, but we do have it, but it's like you never see them. They're they're it's not like LA where >> And you don't have a a transportation uh

[09:57] police. >> We used to. Yeah. Giuliani got rid of the transit police. I I I feel like it was a real blow to public safety because these were people who knew the subways inside and out. They could turn they knew they could chase a suspect into the tunnel. They knew how to turn off the power, where to go, and all that. They were experts in the subway. and crime in the subway has just not felt manageable ever since. >> Okay. But yes, um the the defund the police uh movement that Mandani supported at the time, which he's now backed away from because of the bad

[10:28] messaging, u was to move some resources from police departments in general, the NYPD in particular, over to social workers who do a lot of the I mean, a lot of a lot of cop work is work that cops shouldn't be doing. They don't want to be >> like dealing with mentally ill people, >> for example. And yeah, it the cops aren't good at it. They don't enjoy it. It's not why they joined the force. So, you send social workers out to, hey dude, it's cold. Let's go to a shelter tonight. Come with me. It's going to be all right. You know, that's that's

[11:00] that's what they they were going to move that those assets over. It would have reduced funding for the NYPD, but it would they would have also had fewer responsibilities and they would have had, you know, been been able to focus more on crime. Um, you know, basically it was taken as defund the police like get rid of all it started out as an academic paper, right? And and basically it ended up as what's what you know what's on a title of an academic paper does shouldn't doesn't make a good slogan on a protest sign at a demonstration where you know things need

[11:31] to be easy to understand and you don't need to explain it. >> That's right. >> So yeah no I mean Mani's he's not a radical. I mean he's he wants to freeze the rent. Um that's not a big deal in a in a city where the rents have been leaping by. >> It's quite a popular position. Well, and the rents are sky high. I mean, John, I I mean, you haven't been to my place, but uh you know, I have a two-bedroom apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. I pay $5,100 a month. Um you know, it's it's that's People say, "Oh,

[12:02] but that's market." I'm like, "Yes, it's market. >> That's the problem. >> But we also have 700,000 people left during COVID. There's warehous uh and you know, there's all sorts of problems with the system." But anyway, the point is the other and the other thing is uh free buses which wouldn't really cost the city that much money buses transferred for free from the subway anyway. >> That's right. Washington started doing free buses a year ago June and it has been seamless. >> Now free free gross he he wants to put

[12:34] one free um sort of nonprofit not free nonprofit uh grocery in each of the five burrows. So, we're talking about in a city of 8 million people, five supermarkets. Um, I don't think that's going to really it's probably not going to work. I did I hate to say this because I love that idea as a leftist, but I dug I I rolled up my sleeves. I looked into the history of how this work has worked in other cities in the past. And generally, the margins on grocery stores, as your friend uh the the the

[13:05] grocery magnet could probably say, are very very low. And you have to have vast economies of scale that unfortunately uh you know five little stores aren't going to have. So it'll probably fail. But you know it's not a radical >> it's an experiment to try one per burrow, right? I mean there's 2.7 million people in my burrow of Manhattan here. I mean you know we're not all going to that one store. Sorry >> Ted. How do you look so healthy and with this light? I look like I'm dead. I have a light here and I just don't know. Is

[13:37] it a Do you have a fluorescent or what is it? >> No, it's like a one of those bars that it's supposed to be dark. >> Oh, it's the LED maybe. I I have natural light, but it's filtered uh courtesy of the Canadian wildfires. Uh it's >> it's filtered through a layer of haze. I don't know if you guys are getting that in DC. >> Not not yet, but we got it last summer and you could smell it in the air. It just chokes you. >> Yeah. No, I'm I'm I'm suffering. I'm hurting. I have asthma. It's it's I'm

[14:07] I'm not a happy camper when this happens at all. >> Let me let me add one more thing about John Katy. He made this idiotic statement to the Greek American paper, the National Herald last week that if Mumani is elected mayor, he's going to leave and he's going to move to St. Petersburg, Florida, where he's building the tallest um residential, you know, hundstory residential condo thing in in the state of Florida. >> Bye. >> Yeah. Okay. Go. We have plenty. Nobody cares. >> Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Just go.

[14:39] >> The New York Post has been editorializing repeatedly that, you know, New York is its billionaires. If the billionaires leave, we'll all be screwed. You know, I think I think a lot of us, 7.9 million of us, we'd like to we'd like to check that out and see if that goes. We'll beg for forgiveness and ask you to come back if it turns out we're all broke. >> Sure. But but like I'm somehow doubting that that's going to be the case considering the city's been around since the 1600s kicking ass and taking names the entire time. >> That is right.

[15:10] >> I mean, you know, it's it's they call it New York [ __ ] city for a reason. Um so whatever. So So yeah. So I guess uh so look, so DC though, the DC thing, unlike the New York City thing, that could actually happen, right? I mean Yeah. Yeah, it could actually happen, which would be a very bad thing. But the but Trump knows there's no way for for Washingtonians to defend themselves. They just can't do it. And then we've

[15:41] got this I say we I I live just outside. >> Isn't DC kind of ungovernable? And I mean, wouldn't that be like an unwinable job for I mean, we're going to be talking later on about Trump's plan to take over aid delivery in Gaza. But what's with what's with Trump trying to take over do these things that really no one can do? >> Rid Rid pointed out when we first started talking about Washington that southeast Washington is one of the most dangerous [ __ ] holes on the East Coast. That is absolutely true. >> 100% true. It is a [ __ ] national

[16:12] embarrassment. >> A national embarrassment. ungovernable, unsecurable, don't go there even during the daytime. Um, so why does Trump want to take that on? You know, there was this announcement that the Washington, I'm sorry, that the New York Post had on its front page this morning saying, "Oh my god, shootings in New York are at their lowest level ever in recorded history." Which isn't true. It's like their lowest level in in seven years. Okay, great. Congratulations to Eric

[16:44] Adams and his 9% support. But what about Washington? You want to take that on? That doesn't make any sense. >> I mean, look, I Okay. Well, you're Look, you're a Washingtonian. Um, what do you think? I mean, what do you think is the solution to DC's big crime problems? And they are real. >> Yeah, they are real. Um, I think that they have to Well, it's it's multiffold. The answer is multiffold. Number one, they have to address homelessness. The homeless situation since CO has been

[17:15] absolutely ridiculous. >> Lulu, that's a good comment. It should be rebranded to back up the police. That is so >> That is a great idea. >> Really good. >> That is a great idea. >> Then you then you the police unions would be on your side. >> That's right. That is right. >> Yeah. I mean, honestly, I mean, you know, I'm not on team cop, but I have sympathy. I'm a human being. I know cops and a lot of them are trying to do a good job and uh you know and honestly they shouldn't be social workers. Look,

[17:47] no little little boy or little girl ever wanted to become a cop thinking like I'm going to deal with gross homeless guys, >> right? No. So number one um uh you have to deal with homelessness, but you also have to push strongly push education and vocational training because uh yeah, how do I do that spectrum? How do I do that with the white balance? This this light is on its darkest setting and I don't know what to do. >> Um >> I have to experiment with >> We'll work on that later. Yeah, maybe.

[18:18] Yeah, I would ask. That's when I don't know what to do. I ask AI. >> Uh that's a great idea. I ask, >> you know, like I have an LED light. It's making me look white and washed out. Meanwhile, I look oily. I'm in If I look any sworthier, I could be picked up by ice. Um I don't know. >> I'll figure this out. Oh, no. No, I made it worse. Um, so anyway, you got to do something about vocational training because you you can't just you can't just have people living generation after generation after generation

[18:51] um on the streets like this. >> No, it's it's not tenable. >> Well, it's and it's gross. And other, you know, you see in other countries, you don't see this. You know, they don't whether it's it's now or during the Soviet period. It wasn't like that in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Well, you couldn't. They would die. Um, it's uh it's it's it's just ridiculous. Um, all right. Well, speaking of local governance, uh, should we talk about Texas? Um, >> yeah, the So, that's still going on. Uh,

[19:22] the, um, they the Texas governor, uh, Greg Abbott wants to fine the runaway Democratic legislators. Meanwhile, um, there's talk >> he wants to remove some from office. He's threatened to. You can't do that. If he did, would that lead to special elections or would that lead That's what they would try to do. >> Or would he try to install a bunch of Republicans to replace them? >> I I don't see how you could because these are Democratic strongholds. I We're talking about seats in in Austin,

[19:52] San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. >> Well, if a US Senate seat comes up open though, the governor can fill it can fill it, right? With >> I don't think that's the system in in Texas. I think you have to call a special election. But just as you predicted, JB Pritsker welcomed these these legislators to um Illinois with open arms and most of them are hiding in Illinois and he actually gave them police escorts so that nobody could from Texas can find them and try to kidnap

[20:23] them and bring them back. >> Apparently, there was a death threat or or some kind of threat against the hotel where they're purportedly staying. >> Yes, there was a threat against the hotel. >> I mean, you know, that's >> nuts. Not surprising. >> And New York, again, as we predicted, New York, California, and Illinois are moving forward on their own uh redistricting to countermand the the Texas redistricting. There was something that was so interesting on TV today. Um what's the White House chief of staff's

[20:53] name? >> Oh, >> uh that woman, the blonde. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I forget her name. >> She I put it in. >> Yeah. She she was on Fox today and I'm sorry, she was on CNN today and um the interviewer said, >> why Susie Wilds, that's it. >> Susie Wilds, thank you. Thank you. Said, "So why why is the president doing this?" And and she said that uh he's only doing what the Constitution mandates that he do. and and the

[21:24] interviewer said, "No, the Constitution mandates that these district lines be redrawn every 10 years after the after the census, and they're always drawn, you know, census is always in a zero year, and they're always redrawn in time for the O2 election." >> Mhm. >> Or the the two election, >> the next two Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And um and she said, "But he's mandated to do this for the Republican party." And the interviewer was like, >> "That's some honesty. >> Isn't is that was it was unusually honest."

[21:55] >> And the interviewer, I don't remember who it was, said, "But isn't he supposed to represent the American people?" >> Well, there's no there's no pretense of that at all. I mean, I have not in this term >> heard President Trump, >> correct me if I'm wrong, one time express the thought that he's the president of all the American people, uh, whether or not we voted for him. >> Yeah. which is a standard thing that presidents say even if it's not really true. >> Well, look what he tried to do with FEMA day before yesterday. There he ordered this memo to be circulated at FEMA that

[22:28] um uh disaster funds were not to go to any um state that voted blue and >> well or or any or any state or municipality that uh refuses to do business with Israel >> with Israel. That was the second part of the memo. and um and finally cooler heads prevailed 2 or 3 hours after the memo was leaked and it was finally retracted. But this is not good at all. I will say though, Donald Trump, you

[22:58] know that old saying that the broken clock is right twice a day. >> Totally. >> He did something recently that was so freaking inspired and brilliant. I can't believe he did it. He named the new deputy director of the Bureau of Prisons, right? The BOP, >> one of the most notoriously corrupt and dysfunctional and broken organizations in all of government. It also happens to be the biggest bureau within the Department of Justice. He named a former

[23:30] federal prisoner who just got out of prison. >> Oh, yeah. I remember this. After doing five years on a drug conspiracy charge, the new deputy director of the Bureau of Prisons. >> That's fantastic. >> The guards union is going berserk. >> You might be back at Langley soon in charge at the big desk. >> Stranger things have happened. >> Director, Mr. Director. >> Hey, maybe Tulsi Gabbard, you know,

[24:01] follows me on Twitter for a reason. Could well be. Well, they could definitely No, I mean, honestly, that is an inspired choice. I love that he did that. >> He said he's going to focus on prison healthcare and food quality, >> and I wanted to just stand up and start applauding this guy. >> Yeah, Jasonith, >> I'm into it. I'm into it. Um I want to see I'm I'm really seriously still crossing my fingers for some major RFK food regulations. Yeah. uh on

[24:32] preservatives and [ __ ] all that nasty crap in our food. Um the I really want him to get to get cracking. Um John, let's talk about this is one of my favorite stories. You know, as you know, I used to be a banker. And uh Donald Trump, he he threatened the colleges and the universities. He shook them down. Uh Har, by the way, Harvard's pissed. Yeah. Because Harvard's being asked to pay half a billion dollars. And they, according to the Times, they didn't care. They're like, "Ah, $500 billion. Whoop you. We have $93 billion in our

[25:04] endowment. We don't care. No big deal." But they're pissed off that Brown only had to pay 50 and it's another Ivy League school and Colombia only had to pay 200. And they're like, "Why are we getting [ __ ] over?" And it's like, "Well, your anti-semitism, your was so much worse. >> 10 times more than Browns or you two and a half times more than Colombia's." I mean, it's just a shakeddown and they're feeling like they've been rolled because, you know, they have been >> they have >> they shouldn't they shouldn't pay

[25:35] anything. They should say [ __ ] off. And also, it's like you guys are you go to Har you are at Harvard. You don't own a calendar. This guy's not going to be around in three years. Like all you John, you know what the courts are like. It takes forever. >> Oh my god. Yes. >> Just sue, drag it out, wait for the [ __ ] to die or or leave office and it's all going to go away. Just relax. I don't understand why they're panicking. But anyway, now >> he's going after the banks. >> So, uh, he's accusing BFA and JP Morgan

[26:06] Chase and the other big banks of discriminating particularly against, well, he says they discriminate against conservatives. And then he told John what I thought was a super interesting story. He said that he had had major deposits rejected or after he made the deposits, the banker called, the banks called and said, "Sorry, Mr. Trump, we do not want your money." >> Yep. >> Claimed it was hundreds of millions of dollars. >> Debbanked.

[26:37] >> Debbanked. Just like Yeah. Like a like a like a homeless guy in Mexico City. >> Um and and and he's saying that the banks discriminate. So now he's going to go after the banks using regulatory powers just like he used he sked the de department of education against the colleges. He can [ __ ] them. He can threaten to uh to revoke their banking licenses and he's going to shake him down for cash also for his presidential library. Um it's another shakeddown. So literally he's going to rob the banks because after all that's where the money

[27:08] is as Willie Sutton famously said. >> Yeah that's right he did. >> Um so >> why'd you rob that bank Mr. Sudden >> John, I know the answer to this question, but I want to know if you know the answer to this question. Um, why do you think the banks told him that they didn't want his money? And I actually believe that story. >> Yeah. He says that uh that the Clintons and the Obamas uh told them to told them to >> why was it? >> No. Because >> he's a grifter. Because under the USA

[27:39] Patriot Act and a lot of other uh banking securities regulations, it's the law. If money if if major deposits are made to your account, whether you're an individual or a business that you can't explain in some kind of credible way, then the bank is going to is going to they're be they're they're they're going to be charged with with felonies, right? So it's you bas so like for example I moved money to a significant amount of money from one bank to another after my

[28:10] mother died and she left me uh money and I got a call from the bank and they said uh you know I'm sorry to ask you can I ask you what this is what this money is from what how how did you derive it what do you intend to do with it I thought god what a bunch of busy bodies what a bunch of [ __ ] now as it is I had an answer I I just told the truth truth. Donald Trump obviously made some big deposits that he wasn't able to explain to the satisfaction of his bankers.

[28:41] That's why they def they they they kicked out the deposits. The one thing banks don't want to do is reduce their nightly float. Uh so if they're turning your money away, it's because they're more there's really a problem. >> Yeah, there's a problem. So what this indicates to me is that according the bankers looked at what he did. They didn't like the cut of his they didn't like the the the look of where that cash came from. >> Yeah. >> They he he didn't have a good answer for them. No. >> Now this is a guy who's been doing major

[29:14] millions of dollars banking for 50 years. >> I mean you would think that >> he would know how to deal with this. I mean, to me, this if I'm I just don't know if the Democrats are smart enough to pick up on this, but to me, there's a scandal here. >> Yeah, there very well could be. Tell you the truth, I don't think the Democrats would even think up something like this. Um, or if they did, it would be so hard to implement to >> Sure. Sure. Looking into it one thing up. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's different. Um, but uh

[29:47] I I I'm not sure that they would be able to pull it off without there being fingerprints all over it. That that's just I think a bridge too far. >> Oh, >> maybe. >> By the way, I guess we should probably do a quick uh request to if you you guys already know about our Rumble thing, please go over to Rumble and also watch us over there because we literally get paid like a hundred times more. So instead of like a penny, for every penny we'd get like a dollar over there. I

[30:18] mean, I'm kind of radically simplifying, but it is really true. If you want to support the show and you want to help John and I uh you know, be able to pay our bills, something that we currently cannot do, uh it would it would be really great if you guys would go over to rumble.com, sign up, and uh I don't know. I'll put I can put on Robbie. Robbie, you ready to go on and do your quick pitch here? Real real quick before as Robbie's coming on, I wanted to say I went to the bank this morning. I had an appointment to go to the bank this morning because I'm so broke. They took

[30:50] a $15 monthly maintenance fee, which put which put me at negative $15 in my account. >> So, I had to go back and say, "Guys, come on. Can you just give me back my $15?" And they did. Thank goodness. So, I'm back up I'm back up to zero. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. >> All right, Robbie. quick quick explanation and then we'll move on with the show. >> But my goal is to help help break that zero problem. So >> long story short, just like what Ted said, Rumble pays a whole hell of a lot more. Uh Rumble also has come out with a

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[32:25] also gifted a a sub to someone over there on Rumble. So thank you. >> Thank you so much, guys. Really appreciate you, Robbie. Thanks for that. Much appreciated. All right, I'll put the rumble thing. >> And Sodon Sin has a question. Sin, thank you very much there, man. Uh, do you think Tulsi is stuck between a rock and a hard place? She's been real quiet about everything, especially Gaza, and she seems more like a press secretary than a DNI. >> It's when you work for Trump. >> Yeah, I think I think Yeah, you've hit it on the head. Um, I think that she's

[32:56] having to say some things about the White House that she doesn't really believe. I think she's had to squatchch her own positions on many of these issues like Gaza um just because she can't have an independent opinion now. And um this is this is the price of working for a very strong personality like Donald Trump. >> Yeah, no question. Um yeah, I don't know. It's it's hard to say, you know, like when you get a call like that. I mean, first of all, there's the question like this is your president and I need

[33:28] you. uh as an American and >> you have to say yes. >> I feel like that's your patriotic duty. >> Yes. >> Um but on the other hand, I mean regardless uh of who that president is, but on the other hand, it's Donald Trump and you know it's gonna it's going to end in tears, you know. >> It just it just it always does. >> Um so all right. So the so I I don't know. I thought that the thing I thought that was fascinating about the banks. We'll watch we'll watch that story, but he's going to definitely shake him down. And

[33:59] uh right now they've got to be thinking, well, it's not a question of h of when we're if we're going to pay, it's a question of how much we're going to have to pay. >> Yeah. >> That's right. >> All right. So, you know, um when the Berlin Wall came down, John, um I was working at Bear Sterns and my uh roommate and best friend Dan called me up and the day that it happened and uh and we were talking about it and I said, "What?" And I asked Dan what he said what do you think and he said well he said it's kind of like the reunion tour by at the time in the 80s Crosby Stills

[34:31] Nash and Young. He's like >> I went he said I didn't really like any of Germany's previous collaborations and I'm not looking forward to the next one. And uh I feel that way about the news that uh at the this is the six the 80th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima that led to the US occupation of Japan and the imposition of a constitution that required them not to have a military for any purpose other than strictly defensive. >> And now the Japanese are really looking

[35:02] to rearm. Uh we've seen some there's been some predicates to this. they wanted to uh it's been around, but that seems to be an a really popular opinion now in Japan. >> Yeah. And we saw that >> to their next uh to their next uh military operation. >> We saw that happen in Germany, too. Right. The Germans have an army, of course, one it's it's either the biggest or or it's either the second or third biggest in NATO uh behind the United States and Turkey. I can't remember

[35:32] which one's bigger, but um but they their their constitution prohibits them from deploying troops overseas until of course Bill Clinton insisted on it and they went to uh Yugoslavia and and you know had occupation and then Afghanistan after that. That's right. >> I want to thank Sen again. Solon Sodon, thanks again, man. Um do we think the Saudis were scared of Gaddafi? Oh yeah. I could tell you with 100% certainty

[36:04] that they were scared of Gaddafi. >> What were they scared about? That he was going to that he was too popular and that he >> they were afraid that he was >> Yes. Yes. And he was so unpredictable and so popular at the same time. >> The only thing that made the Saudis back off on seeking his overthrow when he made that announcement that he was going to focus on African unity rather than on the Middle East. It it's it saved his life because the Saudis had come to us and asked us

[36:34] >> to overthrow him by any means necessary and that they would pay for everything. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> That's a that's a huge that's a huge reveal. I didn't know that. >> Yeah. And we were like, "Yeah, relax. We don't really have reason." This is 10 years before he was actually overthrown. >> Yeah. Wow. And sodomized with that bayonet on on on video. Hillary Clinton cackled. We saw >> Yeah. we he died. Um yeah, >> what what are we I mean so I mean for people who aren't aware you should go

[37:05] like look up a list of Gaddafi's accomplishments. I mean highest literary rate in a in Africa. Um uh you know basically oh if you had a wedding that used to be a massive expense the government covered your wedding. Um you got you got free college, free health care, free everything. all the oil wealth was nationalized and put towards the people. Um, you know, Yeah. Of course he was wildly popular. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He was wildly popular. And one of

[37:35] the things that that the Americans were so afraid of is that he supported a unified currency for Africa. Um, you know, in the Middle East, you've got the Saudis that deal in dollars and the Kuwaitis deal in dollars and everybody's buying and selling oil with dollars. And Kaddafi is like, "No, we need something like the Europeans have with the Euro." And the Americans said, "Oh my god, that's going to wreck us." >> That's Yeah. By the way, this is very true. Uh what Nick Otto said changed women's lives incredibly.

[38:07] Even though he was Muslim, he he he ruled like a secular. >> Yeah, he did. And he famously had a a a codery of of female bodyguards. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, Quentyn Tarantino was influenced by that because they were like crazy awesome hot kung fu fighting ladies. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I never >> was he actually responsible for Lockerby? >> I always believed that he was. >> What was the motivation? >> Um, it it was for killing his daughter

[38:38] when Reagan killed his daughter in ' 86. >> Yeah. >> By by bombing um bombing his tent. He wasn't in the tent, but his she was like four or six or something like that. >> Yeah, that's right. I got into I got into it with uh John with uh Hannity about that exact issue. I embarrassed him because he he claimed that that was in uh >> in revenge for um he said that he said that the Lockerby beat that killing the kid was in revenge for Lockerby. And I

[39:10] and I was like in that case I said three years I said that's what I said I said Reagan must have been clairvoyant then it's like that's just not possible did not happen and they hear them like go to break go to break >> yeah no three years before lockerby um Reed asks why I never converted to Islam um I studied Islam with one of one of the faith's most important scholars living scholars say Hussein Nasser >> um from Iran. I studied Shiism mostly,

[39:42] but um now I'm a practicing Greek Orthodox and I'm fascinated by the Middle East and Islam, but it's it's not for me. >> Yeah. I think the Yeah. No, it's funny like uh I I had a a pretty famous essay in the in the 90s called choosing my religion about a roommate who was literally trying to she was shopping around for religions and you know Islam just when you're shopping for religion randomly Islam doesn't come up very high you know it's like you end up like Buddhism ends up high

[40:12] >> work involved yeah that's right >> yeah and yeah and there's and there's some problematic aspects to Islam >> for sure I mean all religions But >> all religions. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, >> yeah. >> A lot of people convert avert though. >> Yeah. >> You just answer that question. Um Oh, wait. I want to get this question. Are there >> Marcel? That's a good question. >> Are there political views shared by almost anyone everyone at the CIA? And

[40:42] how much do political views vary there? You know, the one the one political view that everybody shared is we all just hated the Israelis. All of us. I mean, hating them and being forced to work with them are two different things. And we were forced to work with them. But nobody liked or respected the Israelis. But I'll tell you a story that I told >> conservatives. >> I assumed that they were and I was wrong. So what I mean by that is we never ever ever talked about

[41:15] politics. It just was not a thing. It was not a part of the CIA culture. It didn't matter who the president was. We were there to serve the American people. And then on election day 1992, I had been in the agency for almost three years. And I we most of us voted, you know, early in the morning because you never know when you're going to get busy. You might have to stay till midnight. The president has a question or you have a briefing or whatever. So, um,

[41:46] my branch chief said, "I know we're not supposed to do this, but I'm really curious as to who everybody voted for." And I thought, "Wow, that's bold." Because I had no idea the ideologies of the people that I sat 3 feet away from. Mhm. >> And I was shocked when we went around the the little room and it was three for Bush, three for Clinton, and two for Perau. I was shocked by it because I just assumed I was the only progressive. >> Sure. Yeah. Well, you know, Janna, I I

[42:18] don't know if I told you the story, but you know, at when I went at Colombia the first time around, uh, in ' 84, I went to the jobs fair and CIA was had a table at the jobs fair and I recruit and I don't know how much how true this was. Um and but when I talked to them they they asked me you know what they all sorts of questions and they said um you know somehow the subject of politics came up and they they asked me so do you go to any like socialist or uh left-wing meetings here on campus. I said yeah all

[42:48] of them. Yeah. I said I'm I'm basically a communist. And he's like and the guy was like he didn't he didn't like that. It was 1984. It was during Reagan. And he said well that could be a problem. And I'm like, "Yeah, but I'm fluent in French and just because, you know, I'm a patriot. I love my country. I mean, you know, being being leftwing or right-wing should have nothing to do with anything." And uh, you know, I would die for my country if need be. And he's like, "Well, maybe." But he said, "Mainly," he said, "we recruit Mormons from Utah.

[43:19] >> Lots of them." >> Lots and lots of Oh my god. It's like every other person you encounter is a is a Mormon because they speak these funky languages that you know they have they all go to language school. >> Um and I think it's >> Oh, and because and because they go on uh on their missionary work. >> So you don't have to train them to speak us or Tajik or whatever. They already know it. >> Yeah. And they they don't do anything in

[43:49] their lives. So they blow right through the polygraph. They blow right through the background investigation. They don't even eat chocolate or drink coffee, let alone, you know, steal stuff or do drugs. And so, uh, so they just fell right through the process. The FBI is the same way. It's full of Mormons. >> Well, so it's funny because after that happened, like 10 years later was the first time I went to Central Asia. And I remember, you know, back then, I don't I don't think it's true anymore, but like in the early days after independence from the USSR, all those all the

[44:20] capitals of those countries had like a British pub with like CNN International piped in by satellite. And it was like the the place to go if you were, you know, an English-speaking person and you didn't want to lose your mind and you just wanted to have like a cold beer and like watch like something in English. And anyway, I go to the one in Bishkek in Kyrgystan and it was just me and this guy. And so we start talking and he's like he's American and I'm like and he's like uh I'm like what do you do? And

[44:51] he's like oh yeah I work in the uh I'm I I work for an oil company. I'm like really and I you work for an oil company and and you're here. He's like yeah and I'm like so how long have you been at the company? Right. is inside the company, Philip Agy, and he's like, "I don't know what you're talking about." I go, "Come on." Like, you're you're an agent. It's okay. I don't care. It It's off the record with me, but you know. And he's like, after a while, he's like, "Eight years."

[45:21] >> And I'm like, "Oh my god." >> And I go and I'm like And he goes, "How did you know?" And I go, "Because Kystan doesn't have any oil. You need a better cover." >> No, he needed a better cover. Is Right. Right. I I used to tell people we we were we were trained to tell people something so boring that they wouldn't ask any follow-up questions. So >> actuarial >> training. Yeah. Oh, I'm I'm a I'm in the foreign service. I I do a lot of

[45:52] training and some import export negotiations. >> Although import export I immediately think of weapons. >> Oh, right. Well, I was on a flight once from Milan to Sophia. I was doing a sensitive operation. So I couldn't go directly from Athens to Sophia. I had to, you know, get a different passport and then get on a plane and go from Milan. And so I never talked to people on planes, but this freaking Italian guy, this big fat Italian guy I was sitting next to, just question after question

[46:24] after question. And he just wasn't taking my monoselabic, you know, answers uh as a hint. M >> so what do you do? I said oh I'm involved in import export. Oh what are you in import and export? Uh whatever. >> The guy's like oh me too. >> Yeah whatever makes the most money. Um and he just wouldn't stop. So finally I said look I smuggle women and cigarettes from Eastern Europe. Okay. Are you happy? And he's like I don't think I approve. I

[46:56] said I'm not asking for your [ __ ] approval. You just mind your own business. Oh, he sat there like this the rest of the flight. Never said a word. >> Yeah, >> that's awesome. I love that so much, John. Thank you so much for that story. Makes my day. Okay. And it's and it's been a long day already. Um, okay. So, >> wow. Yeah. >> Let's talk about let's talk about Donald Trump as always because it's been about 10 minutes. So, the aid situation in Gaza. We're not going to recap. We all know it's [ __ ] up. Gaza humanitarian,

[47:27] the Isra the the it used to be the uh international community and the UN, they were kicked out. The Israelis are like, "We can do a better job. It all they do is kill the people who come to their shitty food sites." Um and so it's totally [ __ ] up. Now Trump says that he wants to take it over himself. Steve Witco, his his envoy, says the US will take direct control of distribution of humanitarian aid in uh in Gaza. Um

[47:59] can I just say that like the devil is in in the details here? >> You can say that again. >> Is he going to do this? Is this like how would it look like? What are the risks that are entailed? I mean, this is the same US government that tried to install um, you know, a a pier and it like got blown away in a storm um and spent millions of dollars on it and almost lost a guy doing it. Um, I mean, how >> I can't imagine that this is a real plan. First of all, we don't have the

[48:32] the assets on the ground to be able to do it. We would have to essentially invade Gaza, >> right? which we could we could and have the military do it >> right and the Israelis would have to be okay with it because hilariously it is occupied territory by our ally so we'd be you know the Israelis would have to say okay and they would essentially they would essentially be yeah relinquishing control >> that's right that's right >> we'd have to come in by land I mean look it's the US we could do it right we

[49:04] could distribute massive amounts of aid um and we could do it extremely well and very quickly, I bet. >> That's right. >> And it really has to be trucked in. It can't be air dropped. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Dropping it by air just it doesn't work. It never works. It never has worked. No. It has to be trucked in. And the Israelis just won't let the trucks through. >> I mean, so to me, I guess what's more interesting than the plan, which I can't imagine once the U once Trump hears about what would be required that he'll

[49:36] go through with it. um you know like you might lose Americans, they might be shot. Um you know, it's also it exposes the Israelis for what they've been doing, right? I mean, if there's any doubt in anyone's mind, it's like, well, >> you didn't want to let food in, but we can bring in food, which means you could have brought in food, and you chose not to. I mean, you already have uh former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett writing that Israel is now a leper state in the

[50:07] United States, and he's a right-winger. Uh saying that it's completely that Israel's completely isolated from the world. That's right. That everybody he's they've already lost the Democratic Israel's lost the Democratic party. They're in danger of losing the Republican party. That the whole world hates Israel now. He's right. He's 100% right. So, um, this would just increase that narrative. I mean, to me, it's this is this is a symptom of what's going on, right? But basically, Trump looks at this and says, "Oh, [ __ ]

[50:39] >> I'm getting my Israeli buddy is going to drag me under, isn't he?" >> Did you see the new poll that came out from Gallup by Gallup uh yesterday? It was the numbers were shocking. The only the only Americans who support Israel are Americans aged 55 and older. That's it. Everybody else is going huge, not just for the the Palestinians, but for the Iranians versus the Israelis as well. >> Yeah. >> So, they're they're losing Americans

[51:10] very quickly here. Very quickly. >> Wow. Yeah. No, I mean it's it's terrifying. And then also I wanted to talk a little bit about the uh situation with the um statehood offers right so you know the French have have they started this they and Emanuel Macarron said okay we will recognize um Palestine that's pretty much without strings but uh Canada and the UK >> lots of strings involved right so

[51:41] basically in with Canada and the UK this the uh requirement ment would be and this is something that like the Arab League letter said also um basically they'd they'll recognize the Palestinian Authority not Hamas um that the a Palestinian state a future Palestinian state would have to be completely demilitarized um so no military and that the uh Israeli security would be prioritized in that arrangement and that the new state

[52:13] would have to cooperate with Israel when it wants to come in and look for someone that they don't like or kill them or whatever. Um, it's not sovereignty, right? I mean, a sovereign state has its own military. Um, and you know, but but that seems to be like what the what's on offer now from the West. I mean I mean, don't get me wrong, the the Palestinians are at least diplomatically better off than they were a year ago. >> Sure. But but it seems to me like this

[52:45] isn't really this is kind of like the deal that like Zionists always say Arafat had a deal. He didn't take it. And when you look at the details you're like no one would have taken it. I mean it was going to turn the West Bank into a bunch of bantans separated into like 16 different zones. The Israelis were going to be able to come and go as they please. They were to have no military whatsoever. I mean, it was going to be basically they're going to have the same independence as Loto surrounded by >> completely surrounded. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. Now, the Palestinians

[53:15] don't make it any easier for themselves by I shouldn't say the Palestinians, the the the Palestinian Authority doesn't make it any easier for itself be by refusing to hold an election. I I made a joke the other day on the show that >> that uh Mahmud Abbas is, you know, 19 years into a four-year term. >> Mhm. >> And uh he's decrepit old man and he needs >> He's a million years old. He's like 90, isn't he? >> Yeah. He's almost 90. >> Yeah. >> He's got to go. And corruption. Oh my

[53:46] god. With a capital C. That's got to end. >> Yeah. Not to mention, you know, it gives cover. It's a It's a Vichi regime is what it is. And it gives cover to the p to every time Israeli settlers are in there killing the lo killing the locals. Um you know John did you hear about this crocodile story? >> Oh my god. So this is wacky. So in uh back in so basically before 2013, there was an a crocodile

[54:19] farm that Israeli settlers created in the West Bank um to basically harvest their you know their skins and make handbags or shoes out of them or whatever. um the the the plate. But then in 2013, the uh it went out of business because the Israeli government passed an animal rights law that said that the Nile crocodile wasn't was a protected species. You got to love Israel. They they kill babies like like they're going out of style, but the crocodiles are

[54:51] protected. >> Got to save those. >> Got to save Mr. Bitey. So then the croc so here's the thing. It goes out of business. the the the Israeli settler who owns the farm just leaves it, dips on it, doesn't give a [ __ ] about it, leaves the crocodiles to their own device. Today there's 200 crocodiles there. Some of them, this place is six miles away from the Jordan River. There was concern several of them have escaped and have made have gone on the lamb. who was concerned that they might make it to

[55:23] the Jordan River and attack Jordanians and cause an international incident. And I'm like, okay, so they so they went in today and killed all 200 crocodiles. >> Oh my god. >> And the is and but the but this is it's against Israeli law to do it because they're protected. They're Nile crocodiles. Obviously, they could be returned to Egypt or whatever um and dumped in the in the river. But anyway, so it's just a wacky story. But there's

[55:53] also like, so wait a minute, you guys are not just moving your kids over there and killing the locals. You're moving dangerous animals to occupied stolen land. I mean, the thing is so bizarre. Did >> you see the announcement from this zoo in Denmark yesterday? >> Yeah. to, you know, plea, please bring your pets that you don't want anymore because we need to feed them to the lions, you know, circle of life and all. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> People are like, "What?" >> Yeah, that's right. Although, in fairness to the Danes, uh they they they

[56:26] said that they're not going to like take my cat and let him run around the cage while the tiger chases him, right? They would euthanize him first. >> Yeah. And just toss him in there. >> And then toss him in there. >> It's It's such a such a crazy story. >> I was in Addis Ababa one time. Ethiopia and I went to the zoo because I had a half a day, you know, to do nothing. There's really nothing to do. >> That must have been a sad, a sad story. >> There were these three or four zoo workers that were like pulling and

[56:57] pushing this screaming donkey into the lion's cage. And the thing is like you doing everything it can to fight being pushed into the lion's cage. And then they just >> Oh yeah. And the Lions tore it to pieces. I watch I have to admit I would want to watch that. >> It was It was bad. >> I would want to watch that. >> They gouge you if you're a Westerner. It's like a nickel to get in if you're Ethiopian and then it's like a dollar to get in if you're not. >> Those I mean those those foreign zoos

[57:29] though, they're rough like in Central Asia or whatever. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> It's not up to the high standards. Well, that's what the Central Park Zoo used to be like here in New York. >> It was awful. Um, so >> yeah, bad. >> So, um, let's talk about more Israel stuff. So, I thought this was interesting. Um, so it turns out that, uh, in the 12-day war between Iran and Israel that actually, um, the Iranians blew up a lot of [ __ ] and killed some Israelis. Um, and there the damage was

[58:00] quite substantial. >> Yes. >> Now, we haven't heard much about that here in the West. No. But what's coming out now is that in Israel, nobody knows. It's been completely censored, >> and uh and so the Iranians, I mean, obviously, I mean, the Israelis obviously live in a very small country. I assume they all talk to each other and word gets out. >> But I mean, what does that say about this so-called democracy? >> Yeah. >> That information is so carefully

[58:31] controlled. >> Yeah. It's no democracy. It's certainly no functioning democracy when you have what is it a dozen different parties that are all represented in parliament and it's literally impossible to uh to have a a functioning government that's not a coalition and then everything is is trumped by by military concerns anyway on top of it. Israel is no democracy. Wow. Yeah. So, um, yeah. I mean, and I

[59:01] think honestly that control has been very effective. It's part of the reason that Israel ordinary Israelis don't really know >> just to what extent they've become, you know, their country is a pariah. >> Yep. Yep. Agreed. >> Interesting story. Speaking of Israel tangentially, but its effects here in the US Stan so at Stanford University, they have a school newspaper still, thank God, and a really interesting lawsuit. So it turns out the editors

[59:32] noticed that a lot of columnists and wouldbe student journalists have either refused to join the paper, refuse to submit articles or quit be and it's become a serious problem because a lot of them are international students and they're afraid that if they comment on not just Gaza but anything else that the Trump administration doesn't like that they could be deported. And they have reason to believe that because of course the Trump administration has attempted and has kid has had ICE kidnap uh people

[1:00:04] off the street for writing columns in the uh you know in in the in a student newspaper. Y that's been enough. So, the Stanford paper is now suing uh ICE and the Trump administration for for for their uh for their squaltched first amendment rights, which is of course the only thing that the First Amendment really is good for is protecting you from government censorship, which is usually in the past never direct usually, right? Um, like my case with

[1:00:37] the LA Times was unusual because the L the LAPD, which is a government entity, purchased the LA Times parent company. So, it was like basically a first amendment case by proxy. But that doesn't usually happen. Usually, someone calls that calls the paper says fire John Kuryaku and then they do. But you can't sue the government. You can only sue your employer and the employer is not a government entity. here the government entity is directly stifling the speech of the student newspaper.

[1:01:10] I don't know. I wish them well. I don't know if it's going to um I don't know if it's going to work. Suing government is hard. >> It's very hard. Yeah. But man, this is this is so scary. And we still have three and a half years of this left, you know, and and even then will cooler heads prevail again? I don't know. This idea that you could just get rid of people whose opinions you don't like. Very scary. And you know, we forgot to mention that Trump announced today he's

[1:01:40] going to meet with both Putin and Zalinski. Um >> Oh, yeah. That's huge. >> Yeah. >> That just broke. That just broke. >> Yeah. And uh the >> So, is it going to be at the same time or in two separate meetings? >> No, two separate meetings. and and the p the the Kremlin is saying it's because they're just tired of Trump being on their back all the time. So, they're going to at least listen to what he has to say. So, this is a good thing. >> Oh, it's a very good thing. I mean, I

[1:02:11] wish this had happened a long time ago. >> Me, too. >> Um, so I guess I mean, Trump usually takes a more active role in international diplomacy. We saw that with North Korea during his first term. Um I you know is this one of those things where he tried he's like well thank you Steve Whitoff but I've got to like roll I've got to take care of this myself manto man you know Vladimir and I can work it out. >> I think so. >> I don't think Putin will let him. Putin

[1:02:44] is not willing to be bullied and Trump thought he could bully Putin into a settlement. >> No Putin's not bullyable. >> No. But I mean what if but what if Trump goes over there? Is there an inducement? I mean is there a deal? Is there a structure that will work for the Russian Federation and I mean presumably for the support Ukraine? >> I used to think so. I used to think so. That the Russians get to keep the Donbass. Uh they get to keep the Crimean Peninsula. Um that the Ukrainians won't

[1:03:14] uh be allowed to join NATO but they would be fasttracked in the European Union. I mean everybody said that was the deal. And what if it was that and like maybe Russia pays um reconstruction costs for Ukraine? >> Oh, that would be actually I don't know why Putin would agree to something like that, but I think the Ukrainian jump at it. >> Yeah, they do. >> They do. From all that gas they're selling to the Indians. >> Yeah. And to the Chinese. Um Yeah. So, I

[1:03:47] feel like I mean they could do that, right? I mean that I feel like that would be like okay yes um you know you've lost territory but you're being compensated. >> Yeah. >> It's like view it like a sale of Alaska. >> Yes. Could be. >> Could be. >> That's the kind of I mean we know Trump. You watch the show. You're welcome. You can take that for free. >> Speaking of watching the show, I have a Google alert on myself. I always have. I was shocked day before yesterday to see

[1:04:19] that you and I were quoted on NPR. >> No way. >> Yeah. I I meant to send it to you. I was shocked. >> We were quoted on It said It said Ted R and editorial cartoonist and CIA whistleblower John Kuryaku discussed whatever. I can actually call it up because I saved it. I saved it. I was like, "What? I gotta tell Ted about this." >> Wow, that's great. Well, we have so >> shocking. >> Uh if uh you Mr. or Miz or MX NPR is uh

[1:04:53] listening or watching right now, thank you very much for the hat. >> Yeah, thanks for that. >> We appreciate it. And if you ever need us as a guest, one or one or both, let us know. >> That is right. >> Wow. That is cool. >> I I'll find it. I'll find it. I saved it. >> That's fantastic. Do you remember which show it was or was it like just a a written piece? >> Here it is. Google alert. Uh it was it was about Palestinian food aid.

[1:05:25] Um and it says here, hold on. Open a new link. Enter. Verifying that you are a human. Okay. full article. Dog gone it. Sorry this is taking so long. >> Um Tom, it's the graveyard book is actually John's book. So yeah that question. What happened to it? He wants to >> I was yelling at my editor yesterday

[1:05:56] like you guys are killing me here. I sent you the manuscript three years ago. Octo of April. You told me at the absolute latest it would be out on July 31st. And here we are in August. So this is it's a threeinut listen. >> It's in it's entitled in Gaza more Palestinians are killed while awaiting food. >> And then in the in the article um

[1:06:28] >> Okay. While you're at work. >> Yeah. Talking about the famine is unfolding and that you and I discussed it on the show. >> That's it. That's it. >> That's so random. >> Like we're a mainstream, you know, news source that NPR turns to for uh >> Well, of course, obviously. Goes without saying. >> Um that's amazing though. So great. Um hey, so Dana wants to know, do we think Epste was a double agent? >> Uh you I assume you mean for like Mossad, right?

[1:06:59] >> Oh, no. I think he was an agent for Mossad. It's possible that he was a double agent for the CIA. Absolutely possible. And and the only reason I say that is because of Alex Aosta saying that he got that he had to give he had to give him a sweetheart deal because Epstein was intelligence. >> Yeah. And what else could that mean? >> What does that mean? >> It has to mean American intelligence. that it has to me mean American intelligence because there are only two

[1:07:30] people that Alex Aosta would have reported to at the time. Um Alberto Gonzalez and George W. Bush. >> It's certainly it's certainly possible, right? No question. >> Yeah. >> Um Marcel wants to know, is either side, Russia or Ukraine, going to budge? >> Both sides have reinforced their goals over and over without change over the whole war. That's true. >> Yeah. Um, but I do feel like the facts on the ground are the facts on the ground. And that that's not going to

[1:08:00] change. I mean, you know, I can't think of any historical precedent where you'd have a situation like this where, for example, Ukraine would get its way and Russia would withdraw from a significant amount of territory. Not after a situation like this. Yeah. >> And conversely, I can't imagine a situation where, you know, Ukraine is going to just be like blly give up claim to a substantial 20% of its territory and be like, "Yeah, we don't care. Whatever. Easy, no harm, no foul." I

[1:08:31] mean, those demands are going to remain. That's why I suggest the money thing then. Like, that's right. >> It lets it gives it gives the Ukrainians a way to save face. >> That's right. you know, and I wanted to I'm sorry to jump to another subject, but I know we're very short on time now, but I wanted to say something. There was a very very important uh demonstration in uh in Australia a couple of days ago that was led by Julian Assange. That was one thing that I wanted to say. He's finally getting out there and taking a

[1:09:03] leadership position in some of these um these things. And there's also a very important um march coming up in support of Mary Castacadus or Costakilis who is I'm not over stressing this. She is the Walter Kronhite of Australia. >> Um she's being sued by a bunch of um Zionist groups for calling what's happening in Gaza a genocide. and um she risks actually being imprisoned

[1:09:35] for anti-semitism for saying that what's happening in Gaza is a genocide. They have some [ __ ] up laws in in Australia. >> I guess those laws are obviously very similar to England's, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. >> So, yeah, I mean it's very it's very easy to get on the wrong side of a liable law. >> Oh, it really is. It really is. So, good luck to both Julian Assange and to Mary. Uh, they deserve our support. >> Uh, for sure. Um, hey, so there's a

[1:10:07] there's some uh there's some interesting paranoia uh paranoid articles about China as using AI to uh basically do research and oppo research against American uh politicians with a view towards possibly just being able to leverage them and and and all this. And basically, >> I read all these articles and and basically they seem to have about as much meat as the articles talking about anti-semitism in Gaza protests on

[1:10:38] American campuses. You're just looking in vain. Like, come on. Like, where is it? Where is it? I mean, >> they must have nicer editors than I ever had because my editors would never have published something that had no citations whatsoever. But it's all just random speculation. It's all breezy and airy. So yes, there is a country named China. Yes, there is a thing called AI. Yes, you can use AI to gather information about things and people. But so [ __ ] what? >> So what

[1:11:09] >> am I am I What am I missing? Am I stupid? >> Exactly. Exactly. Who cares? >> I mean, yeah. It's just sort of like the idea like China's doing stuff. They're big and scary and dangerous because yellow menace. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> I just was hoping that that was >> No. Oh my god. Chinese. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Are we Are we deprogrammed? >> I'm deprogrammed.

[1:11:40] >> I am deprogrammed, too. We will be back Friday. I'll be in Montana. Um uh I have a book signing there, but I have time because of the time difference. uh it should be okay. Uh if not, we might have to rejigger the time. But anyway, 5 o'clock Eastern time uh in uh 3:00 Central time. If you're in Callispel, Montana, come and see me at Barnes & Noble at 1 p.m. Friday and 1 p.m. on Saturday. And uh thank you very much for watching. We'll be back next week also Monday, Wednesday, Friday. That's our

[1:12:11] schedule. 5:00 PM. I'm Ted R. That's John Kuryaki. You've been watching D program. Please like, follow, and share the show. Reed is saying, uh, we need some guests on this show. Hey, if you have any ideas for guests, um, you know, anyone, >> thank you, Forson. >> I've got a bad stomach ache. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, that sucks. >> Getting a transfusion tomorrow. It's going to make me myself again. Yeah, >> I remember I had trans I had a transfusion once. >> I got to have a whole bunch of them.

[1:12:42] >> Oh, man. All right. Well, I hope I hope all it's all the best blood. I hope so. >> All right, John. Good luck. I'll talk to you tomorrow. >> Thanks, buddy. Safe travels. >> You, too. >> Uh, let's see. No outro end stream. They
